red dead revolver

Do you really believe the founders wrote the second amendment to allow people to posses weapons in order to serve in the military? All the other countries in the world have managed to have armed services without any provision like the second amendment.

a-1622248491

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May 28, 2021 05:34 PM

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The founders of the USA were against having a large standing army. That is the reason for the second amendment, to provide for a militia made up of not professional soldiers but ordinary citizens.

ChillinGrillin

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May 28, 2021 05:56 PM

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Yes, the amendment is an obsolete provision for national defense not a unlimited license to carry. The gun fetishism tries to compensate for perceived loss of status and power, relying on a mythical gunslinging past that never existed.

edney

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May 28, 2021 06:56 PM

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Actually yes.

Private citizens were able to buy the most advanced weapons of the time, and were able to buy weapons the standing army could not afford. The founding fathers who wrote the constitution were constrained only by cost in what the could purchase and often owned better, more modern rifles than the US Army.

Private parties were able to buy Gatling guns (machine guns of their day) and carry them across state lines.

In WWII the British Army was routed out on Europe at Dunkirk by the Germans. The British were rescued out of Dunkirk by a citizen navy and found themselves back in Britain without guns or ammunition to meet the German invasion threat. For some reason the Germans did not follow through and immediately invade Britain. Which was lucky because the defeated British arrived back at home with no weapons and realized there was no short term fix by asking the citizenry because in 1937 the British had confiscated and destroyed almost all the privately owned firearms. What to do?

They had to outsource. Within a year the USA had to produce 1 million rifles and the ammunition to go with them for the British and that many more again to arm the US Army to the size needed to take on a two front war.

So the USA 2nd amendment saved Britain because Britain had managed itself out of firearms and had unarmed services.

Rent this movie April 9th

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/go-to-war-alongside-denmark-in-april-9th-d0076198b5d3

The movie is set in Denmark on the eve of the Nazi invasion that follows the Danes on bicycles who stood against the Nazi’s. The Danes on bicycles were each issued a rifle and 20 bullets and were well drilled on changing flat tires quickly. Spoiler alert: The Danes armed services lose and their country is taken over in a matter of hours.

a-1622256974

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May 28, 2021 07:56 PM

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Our country’s war production was not dependent upon the ability of private citizens to own guns that were produced for WW II.

ChillinGrillin

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May 28, 2021 08:36 PM

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Edney: Wow, the 2nd amendment defeated Hitler, that’s a new crock of nonsense I haven’t seen yet. This undiscovered species of cliche Internet Hitler argument be more laughable if we weren’t talking about innocent people being gunned down by heavily armed, usually mentally unstable gun owners. The WW2 help for the British was made through the Lend-Lease Act, a large government foreign aid program you would probably refer to as socialist and “not America First.” There were no individual gun owners somehow shipping over their guns to the Brits, it would have been logistically, legally, and ideologically impossible and the US didn’t enter the war until December 1941, over a year after Dunkirk. The US is the greatest country in the world but we are the only developed country with this many mass shootings. This is not normal, something is wrong.

Channelfog

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May 29, 2021 04:23 AM

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Where is the 2nd Amendment found? It is found in the Bill of Rights whose intent was to establish the rights of the INDIVIDUAL. That it also mentions militia is to say that these rights are not limited to the individual. That means that if Billy Bob, Skeeter and Bubba want to play war games in the woods, it is OK, whether we like it or not.

Channelfog

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May 29, 2021 04:30 AM

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Everyone in Switzerland gets military training and most of the populace is very well armed. This includes disguised pill box and fortified artillery installations that exist today. This and the terrain have made all think twice about invading Switzerland.

edney

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May 29, 2021 06:30 PM

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Pay attention?

Didn’t say our countries production was. I said that a country who had banned and conficated guns ran short after Dunkirk.

Because of this, they could not arm their militia

They did not enough have guns in England to re-arm their soldiers. If you *read* the history you will see that the British government tried to round up weapons from their citizenry for the 1,000,000 member Home Guard (militia) but only came up with antiques and some shotguns. The Home Guard was called the “Broomstick Army” becuse the drilled with broomsticks. Look it up and look at the photos of Brits practicing with broomsticks.

edney

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May 29, 2021 06:44 PM

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That is a misrepresentation of history.

If you look it up you will see American citizens sent guns overseas to arm the Home Guard. It was a drop in the bucket because the Brits militia was supposed to be 1M and American citizens only sent 26K firearms.

Americans were moved to send the firearms when the saw photos of the Home Guard training with broomsticks because their firearms had been confiscated… remember at that point invasion seemed imminent and if Hitler wasn’t such an idiot he’d have followed through after Dunkirk and taken Britain.

Britain’s expeditionary force (338,226 rescued) lost much of their equipment in France

Britain in the summer of 1940 was being called to:

Re-equip it’s existing 27 divisions who had been rescued at Dunkirk

Equip an additional 28 divisions deemed necessary by British military leadership (as soon as possible).

Equip the better part of a million civilian volunteers who came forward after Dunkirk known as the home guard,

Export a sizeable amount of Britain’s production capabilities and stockpiles to strategic parts of the empire (Egypt, Suez Canal) in order to safeguard them from German aggression in a time when Britain’s home islands were under imminent threat of invasion

While 500,000 rifles from the United States seems like a lot, it was a fraction of what Britain required after Dunkirk. A fraction of the rifles Britain already had on hand in stockpiles after Dunkirk (1 million + rifles), not to mention what they already had spread across their active duty military divisions, and what Britain was able to produce domestically in the months following Dunkirk.

Is Brazil a developed nation? South Africa? Isn’t developed nation a sort of snobby, eurocentric and white idea that allows a few Asians to participate?

Alexblue

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May 30, 2021 09:25 AM

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Edney–you say the 2nd amendment saved Britain.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Oh my goodness. First, those arms were manufactured by the US for MILITARY APPLICATION, not civilian ownership and use.

Second, remember when the Germans hit the beaches of England and they were beaten back by civilians armed with US made rifles?

Oh, yeah, THAT NEVER HAPPENED!

Man you gun nuts live in a totally fictional world.

edney

May 30, 2021 02:40 PM

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“2nd amendment defeated Hitler, that’s a new crock of nonsense I haven’t seen yet.”

I didn’t say that but you got 4 up arrows

“The WW2 help for the British was made through the Lend-Lease Act”

I am familiar with the Lend-Lease act, but wouldn’t call it socialism by any stretch of the imagination and if you pay attention that was signed in March 1941 Six months before we officially entered WWII (“the US didn’t enter the war until December 1941”)

“There were no individual gun owners somehow shipping over their guns to the Brits, it would have been logistically, legally, and ideologically impossible”

Completely inaccurate. There were individual American gun owners who sent weapons. Logistically, they were literally shipped. A very common method of conveyance.

Legally, it was just fine at that point in history. 26,000 guns were sent and am unaware of any legal jeopardy. The Brits had to allow firearms in for obvious reasons.

Ideologically impossible it obviously was not.

edney

May 30, 2021 02:55 PM

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I never said that

I was correcting a historically inaccurate statement.

“Oh my goodness. First, those arms were manufactured by the US for MILITARY APPLICATION, not civilian ownership and use.”

I should just refer you to the larger category of ” history books”

The weapons sent by US civilians went to the UK Home Guard which started off as a civilian group but since the Germans had a penchant for shooting civilians theBritish tried to protect them by calling them a militia.

The weapons sent initially by the US government eventually were all given to the UK Home Guard because US ammunition was not standardized with UK ammunition.

(it’s why today we have 5.56 NATO, 7.62 NATO etc.)

“Second, remember when the Germans hit the beaches of England and they were beaten back by civilians armed with US made rifles?

Oh, yeah, THAT NEVER HAPPENED!”

Never said it HAPPENED

The UK Home Guard did manage to shoot down a few German planes (and were thought to have shot at RAF pilots who were parachuting down after bailing out after mistaking them for German paratroopers)

Since I never said any of the things you mention, who lives in the fictional world?

Alexblue

May 30, 2021 03:47 PM

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Edney, pretty sure the person who said and I am quoting you:

“So the USA 2nd amendment saved Britain because Britain had managed itself out of firearms and had unarmed services.”

…is living in a fantasy land. The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with providing military weapons to our allies. Absolutely nothing.